White-bellied or Black-faced

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Paulsod
White-bellied or Black-faced

Hello Again.

I came across this bird recently and really cannot find a photo on the internet that matches, the closes one is a White-bellied Cuckoo-shrike (dark morph). First 2 photos.

5 minutes after taking these photos I actually photographed a White-bellied Cuckoo-shrike.

Last photo.

rawshorty
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Wait for more experienced people but i think they are all white-bellied.

Shorty......Canon gear

Canberra

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Woko
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Knowing the location often helps with identification but I'd say White-bellied Cuckoo-shirke.

SteveM
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I'll third White-bellied Cuckoo-shrike.

Besides regular & dark morphs, White-bellied have a wide variety of intermediate morphs. I've seen one looking just like an adult Black-faced.

The relative bill size is useful for separating Whilte-bellied from Black-faced, with Black-faced having a relatively larger bill compared to White-bellied. Also White-bellied often have the parital white eye-ring, which can be seen in above photos, I think not present in Black-faced?

Paulsod

Thanks for all your replies.

Hi SteveM,

I tried comparing the bills of the 2 and it looks as though the White-bellied has a slightly longer and straighter beak.

As I search once again to compare the beaks I came across a Bushpea's comparsion.

Here is a link to Bushpea which has got the side by side comparsions.

http://www.bushpea.com/bd/pg/all/b/black-faced%20cuckoo-shrike%2002.html

Thanks for the beak tip, came in really useful in deciding.

So I agree it definitely looks like a White-bellied (dark morph) Cuckoo-shrike.

I will throw it up on Eremaea Birdlines and the moderator can have the last say.

Cheers

Paul

Kippa-ring, Qld.

pacman
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Woko wrote:

Knowing the location often helps with identification but I'd say White-bellied Cuckoo-shirke.

Paul - you still didn't advise location of the bird, eg if you were in Albany, WA it is definitely a Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike

Peter

Paulsod

Sorry about that.

I don't know why, where or what state a person lives, isn't below the users name?

The location is Sheep Station Creek Conservation Park, Caboolture, Qld.

I have submitted it to Birdline, Eremaea.

So we see what the Moderator has to say about it.

Thanks again to all replies.

Cheers

Paul

Kippa-ring, Qld.

pacman
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Paul

Sheep Station Creek CP is a good place and you should add greatly to your list with regular walks there

I am referring to the location of the bird not your house, eg I live at Scarborough, Redcliffe Peninsula, Qld and currently work in Parkes, NSW and recently posted pics taken at Gluepot Reserve, SA - I hope that explanation helps

I believe that you can add your home suburb through 'My Account' at the very top of the page - just checked - use the Edit tab and look for signature towards the bottom of the page

Peter

SteveM
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Hi Paul,

I had a look at the Bushpea web link.  I think the composite comparison photo, at the top left,  is a little misleading in that the White-bellied in that particular shot does appear to have a longish bill compared to the adjacent Black-faced. I think in general the bill on White-bellied's is shortish & less chunky relative to their head size when compared to a Black-faced. 

Also on that same web page, in the group of photos on the right, the bird at the top middle labelled 'Black-faced or White-bellied',  - with that big chunky bill, it's a definite young Black-faced. And the bird in middle 2nd row down labelled 'immature Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike', in my a opinion is a intermediate morph White-bellied Cuckoo-shrike, and the last photo(middle bottom)  is the same mis-labelled White-bellied. 

Re location: I agree with Woko & Peter in that giving location is always good, but disagree with Peter about your bird being a Black-faced if it was in Albany.  If it was in Albany, I would say it is a way out of range White-bellied. smiley

Paulsod

Hello Again,

SteveM,

I agreed that the Black-faced do appear to have a bulkier beak.

(in the group of photos on the right, the bird at the top middle labelled 'Black-faced or White-bellied',  - with that big chunky bill, it's a definite young Black-faced.)

That is the one he has labelled as a immature Black-faced in the comparsion photos, it's just a cropped shot.

(And the bird in middle 2nd row down labelled 'immature Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike', in my a opinion is a intermediate morph White-bellied Cuckoo-shrike, and the last photo(middle bottom)  is the same mis-labelled White-bellied.)

It is the same bird.

That is a tough one, too me the beak does look like a Black-faced one.

But with a cross breed the beak gene could have transferred as well and appears in later generations.

Pacman (Peter),

I happen to live at Kippa-ring, Redcliffe Peninsula, Qld.

I see what you mean about being in completely different locations.

I have add my Suburb in my signature. Thanks for that info.

Cheers

Paul

Kippa-ring, Qld.

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