Shrike Thrush??

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Amson
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Shrike Thrush??

I'd appreciate some help to identify this bird. It was on our bush block on Sunshine Coast QLD.
 

Owl of Kedumba
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Looks to me like a Little Shrike-thrush.

Amson
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Thanks that was what I was thinking. Thanks for your help.

Araminta
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I'm not convinced? Have you concidered A Female Rufous Whistler?

M-L

Amson
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I thought that this one was a bit too brown for Whistler and bill too pale??? I am really not sure.

Here is a photo of another bird taken about a week later. I thought they were the same bird but now not sure. Is this a female Rufous Whistler?

Owl of Kedumba
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Araminta, female Rufous Whistlers have streaked underparts and the bill is short and stubby and coloured black, apart from anything else.

The last one looks like a Grey Shrike-thrush...

Araminta
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One thing I'm absolutely sure, No1  is not a Grey Shrike Thrush. I have lots of them in my garden.

M-L

Lachlan
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What about an immature Golden Whistler for the first? Not sure bird 1 and 2 are the same though. 

Owl of Kedumba
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For me, the first one has the colouring and pale bill of the rufous form of the Little Shrike-thrush (aka Rufous Shrike-thrush). 

Rick N
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I think both Little Shrike Thrush.

Owl of Kedumba
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I am sure the second can't be Little Shrike-thrush because the bill is a grey colour. The Little Shrike-thrush is also a rufousy-brown colour. I thought Grey Shrike-thrush for the second one as it's mostly grey and has the brown brack.

They are definitely not Whistlers due to the length/shape of the bill.

Amson
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Thanks so much everyone for all your help. It is so appreciated :-)

pacman
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I 2nd #1 as Little Shrike-thrush and #2 as Grey Shrike-thrush

Peter

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Interesting, to me the two birds seem to have different beak morphologies. Bird one looks like it has a shorter and wider beak than bird two, and looks more akin to a Whistler's beak than a Shrike Thrush's. OTOH, the beak is extremely pale, even for a juvenile Golden Whistler. 

+1 for Bird 2 being a Grey Shrike Thrush though. 

pacman
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I should have said that I am positive about the Little Shrike-thrush ID; I don't have pics with me today but will post later; indicators are the rufous body, grey-olive brown back, pink beak and light throat some with faint streaks; the angle is making the beak appear a bit shorted and broader

Peter

Owl of Kedumba
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Agreed Peter.

Lachlan, Whistler's still have a shorter/stubbier bill than depicted in both photo's.

timrp
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I agree with Peter and Owl of Kedumba.

pacman
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2 Little Shrike-thrush pics attached - 1st if rufous form at Woodgate, Qld and 2nd is black-billed form at Darwin, NT

I forgot to get a better pic of rufous form to compare to subject bird above

Peter

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Thanks so much for the photos and all the comments. This has helped so much. One less unknown in my catalogue :-)

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