Article on the use of recorded birdcalls

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greviousbh
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Article on the use of recorded birdcalls

Came across this article the other day, thought others might be interested

Birdwatchers often seek out rare and beautiful birds using "playbacks" -- or recordings of bird songs -- to draw such them out from their hideaways. But does such babbling-on-repeat harm the birds? A Princeton study says it may zap birds of much-needed energy

dwatsonbb
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Interesting article. The apps I have specifically advise against using "playbacks" for that very reason. I know there are some here who do, and justify their reasons. I guess we are all individuals, and need to make up our own mind.

Topics like this one can lead to some interesting discussion, hopefully no one will get too serious. Ultimately, I think we all have the birds best interests at heart.

Thanks for posting the link.

Dale Huonville, Tasmania

Annie W
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I agree with you Dale, it certainly is an individual decision.

Actually, I find it a little annoying that they use the term "Bird Watchers" in this article (as the group of people who use playback to draw rare/beautiful birds out).  Then go on to say; "Birdwatchers are ardent conservationists, and they want to minimize their impact while observing secretive birds, "..... - o.k., I've taken it a little out of context, but kinda seems like a contradition to me?  Although, I guess that depends on how someone defines Bird Watcher too.  

Continuous playback calls to specifically just see or photograph birds just for a list, defines a "Twitcher" to me, not a Birdwatcher. Twitcher is an overused word I think, but I often wonder if it's used with the true meaning in mind, or just out of habit?  Big difference between the two imo, and there are many modern definition variations on the word, but it all comes back to the relatively same thing:   A Twitcher may go to any lengths to see a bird, to tick the bird off a life list as quickly as possible, and doesn't generally just absorb themselves in the observation. Perhaps Twitcher would be a better title for that article.

For me, I can spend hours (if I had hours) observing a species I have seen/can see every day (yes, even without taking a photo laugh) & do my utmost to put the birds' welfare before my own.  Each to their own, but I can't help but correct anyone who refers to me as Twitcher - I much prefer Birdwatcher (although not as in this articles definition), Birder, Bird Admirer, Nature lover, Bird Nerd, even Crazy Bird Lady cheeky.  It's a bit of a bugbear for me, so probably a little off track now, but just my 2c worth.

Edited to add:  Got carried away rambling and meant to say, thanks for putting that up greviousbh yes

West Coast Tasmania

ihewman
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In these conversations, people often conclude that pishing is the way to attract birds... it seems harmless right? The problem there is that pishing is supposed to replicate a young birds' call for food or distress and therefore distresses the adult bird.

Brandon (aka ihewman)

Woko
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For me the precautionary principle is paramount. Human impact on birds is inevitable, from the developer's bulldozer to the bird watcher quietly sitting, observing from a discrete distance. The trick is to minimise the impact. Hence I use Morcombe's bird app to identify birds rather than call them up.

I always thought a twitcher was someone who dashed hither & yon in order to tick as many bird identification boxes as possible, often in competition with others doing likewise & an activity which has the potential to be highly intrusive, especially when the competition is keen. Perhaps the word "twitcher" comes from the tiny pencil movements over the boxes on the identification sheets.

A bird watcher isn't necessarily a nature lover or conservationist, in my opinion. I'm aware of people who love watching birds but are quite unmotivated to do anything to prevent their spiralling towards extinction.

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I agree with you Brandon.

.Replicating calls causes confusion and distress for  birds. They also use mating calls, how confusing is that ? I once went birdwatching with a group of people, one had a little whisle he used frequently. He annoyed not only the birds, but also us. After ten minutes, every time he whistled,all of us yelled out: stop it!  You can immagine we didn't see many birds.wink

Patrik

Annie W
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I agree with that Woko.  Two particular moments I can recall thinking I was doing everything right, discretely observing, and the birds "told" me otherwise that I was actually intruding.  You denfinitely need to try to retain an awareness beyond the obvious.

I like your definition of twitcher Woko, from the pencil movements etc, makes sense smiley.  The term twitcher originated from "the nervous, twitchy behavior of well known British birdwatcher Howard Medhurst, who frequently traveled long distances on short notice to see rare birds".   So started out innocently enough but has "modernised", or regressed perhaps, in the last 60 or so years into something considered less positive by many different goups - just google the word & I'll make more sense.  Different strokes (no pun intended) for different folks, a minor bugbear for me as I understand it under todays, more frequently used, definition.  But meh, don't lose any sleep over it either. laugh

West Coast Tasmania

Annie W
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A whistle thick_knee?  Like a duck whistle, but for birds in general?  I wouldn't have thought, but may be wrong, that different birds would respond to one type of whistle anyway, as dogs can sometimes for example.  Did he by any chance find his whistle in his sandwich at lunch time? laugh

West Coast Tasmania

thick_knee
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Very funny RubyE. My grandfather used to have one just like it, he used it for shooting birds and hunting other animals. Yes, he also used falcons to go hunting and dogs to retrieve ducks when going duck shooting.He used to own a huge amount of land in Europe and at the time that was exactly what the aristocracy did . The whistles are still used today, I still have my grandfather's . It's you that immitates the sound, my grandfather knew all the relevant sounds birds made. I use the whistle now to call my hunting dog, he is trained to respond to it.

Anyway, we have changed since,that is good, only few people haven't.

I hope you I misinterpreted your remark, and you really thought it was a joke? Otherwise I could get the impression that you had a go at me?

Patrik

greviousbh
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"continuous playback calls to specifically just see or photograph birds just for a list, defines a "Twitcher" to me, not a Birdwatcher."

That's my Uncle.. not intered in birds unless he can tick 'em off a list.

Annie W
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Well there you go then - I didn't realise it was the person who immitated the various noises via the whistle, that makes sense.  Sorry thick_knee -  I'm honestly lost as to which bit you possibly thought I was having a go at you about?   So just wondering so I can be more mindful of comments in future. And no, I wasn't having a go,smiley a genuine question because I don't know anything about those whistles.

edited as original reply posted unfinished

West Coast Tasmania

pacman
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I believe that callback in moderation is acceptable, I will not try to define moderation, researchers and many others use it, it was used in the recent efforts to locate & provide evidence of the Night Parrot

Peter

ihewman
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Peter is right, in most circumstances playbacks can be better than pishing for the reason I provided before. Obviously, birds have several calls... most often a breeding call, an alarm call and a "general" call, and most apps (morcombe) have all variations of each bird. I think only the general calls should be used to entice a bird in as minimal harm is done when playing a bird's most common call, but the breeding and alarm calls are for you to listen to so you are aware of the calls when in the field.

Brandon (aka ihewman)

Annie W
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Would it be a fair summary for any who do genuinely have birds' welfare in mind (most on this site I imagine) - or to give food for thought to those who may not realise the negative effects of overuse or misuse - that: moderation, duration limitation, and correct (general) call would be a good guideline to begin with?  Earphones in for the rest.  I omitted common sense & not using calls prolifically during breeding season, but.... laugh  Feel free to add.

Just thought I'd ask as a genuine question of clarity for myself, for more experienced/educated birders to comment on.  I don't disagree with someone using calls correctly, just the continuous playback to irritate/stress a bird out of cover just to look at etc. 

West Coast Tasmania

Lachlan
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I think trying to establish guidelines for something like playback would be rather redundant, Ruby. As with so many things, it all comes down to a personal judgement. Personally, I tried using playback once, and felt rather guilty doing it and have thus resolved not to do it again. 

Birding (used here cover bird photography, research, watching and twitching) is as an activity impossible to police, and any attempt to do could risk dividing the greater community. So, maybe it is just best to put the message out there that playback has negative effects on the birds and hope that gradually the technique dies out , and becomes confined to research?

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