Wildlife-plant for shade?

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ScottTas
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Wildlife-plant for shade?

Hi all,
Wanting to pick your collective brains for some plant choices. I'm converting boring lawn to garden in my backyard at the moment. I'm only interested in native plants that will feed the birds! We have lots of NH honeyeaters, Little and Yellow Wattlebirds, Silvereyes, and the odd Eastern Spinebill, Yellow-throated honeyeater etc..
The sunnier spots are easy, I've planted dozens of small-med grevilleas, callistemons, banksias and correas, and am now getting some grasses after reading other posts on here about creating different heights / understoreys etc.. (thanks for that info!)
The problem area of the garden for me at present is a fairly shaded (filtered sun to 30% sun depending on time of year), moist position with fairly clumpy clay soil. I live in Hobart, the area may get occasional light frost only, but is pretty protected.
I've planted a few boronias there, and today a few tree and king ferns, but wondered if anyone knew any bird-attracting options???
Thanks for any ideas / tips you may have.
Cheers :)
Scott.

Woko
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ScottTas, well done on considering the structure of your garden. Do you have any nearby bushland or remnant vegetation? If so, I'd suggest you take a look at what indigenous plants do well in shade in that bushland or remnant vegetation. Then check out any nurseries that sell indigenous vegetation, preferably grown from material that's close to where you live. That way you'll be providing the very plants that the local native birds would use for food, shelter, nesting etc.

Araminta
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Hi Scott, there are some cold-tollerant grevilleas, a group of wild species from mountainous regions, like the Snowy Mountains, withstanding temperatures down to minus ten degrees. Like Grevillea lanigera, or Grevillea victoriae. The clay should not be a big problem, make the hole big enough, twice the width of the pot, and loosen the soil well.
I have a question for you Woko: yes, Grevilles attrakt birds, and I have many in my garden(?),but in the bush in my area, I have never come across one growing in the wild!? If that is so,are they just like McDonnalds for the birds? Easy picking? I might be completely wrong here? M-L

M-L

malakarim
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also a good idea, depending on local birds, to include seeding grasses for variety. A lot of gardens focus on nectar producing natives, and forget the seed-eaters.

Araminta
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Too right malakarim, we have just let areas (most !?) grow wild,we don't have, what people would call lawn, anymore. The difference is amazing, we get armies of seed-eaters marching and munching.We have fenced the area around the water hole off, to keep horses and dogs out. It'sturned into a little paradise. M-L

M-L

Woko
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If I understand you, Araminta, yes, grevilleas are easy picking for nectar feeding birds. I think rosellas like them, too, & pick the flowers off. Birds, like many humans, are opportunists & will feed on whatever they find palatable & suits the way they've evolved. I'm somewhat surprised you don't have a grevillea species or 2 in the bush in your area. Devling into a couple books it seems Grevillea australis would be at or near where you live. (It also grows in Tasmania, ScottTas, but I'm not sure exactly where. It's the only grevillea that grows naturally in Tas. but I understand that it grows best in a fairly sunny location.) Others that grow where or near to where you are are, Araminta, are G. alpina, G. rosmarinifolia & G. victoria var. leptoneura.
If I've misunderstood you, let me know & I'll make another attempt to make and idiot of myself.

ScottTas
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Thanks all for the ideas.
I think our seed-eaters are fairly limited... but I could well be wrong. European Goldfinch yes, not sure about the others (emphasis on the european though...). I'll certainly be planting some Lomandra grasses around (Woko they seem to be the most common understorey under the open eucalypt type forest we have in our general area - more shady / wet areas seem to have ferns, but I might check with a natives nursery).
I want the garden to be native and good for the local birds, but I can't plant huge gum trees and have an open eucalypt forest (though I have got 2 smaller 4-5m gums instead). I feel like some grasses with then dense thickets of grevilleas/banksia/callistemons and some small eucalypts is the best / most efficient bird-feeding strategy I can go for!??!
Cheers,
Scott.

Araminta
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Hi Woko, what I was trying to say was, when I go out the back where I live, I haven't seen any Grevilleas.What has come up in the areas in our garden, that we have just left to grow what comes up, it is mostly Dusty Miller,Bush Peas,Kangaroo Grass, Prickly Moses and Teatree. That created a very dense understorey,the reason why we have lots of tiny birds.We do have some Gravilleas, because the birds love them.

M-L

Woko
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ScottTas, I suspect Lomandras will indirectly attract raptors, kookaburras & other relatively large birds which prey on lizards, skinks & other small creatures which use Lomandras for cover. You might find native bees & butterflies are attracted to Lomandra flowers & even use them for breeding. It's a complicated world out there! The seeds of a few indigenous Acacias would attract any bronzewings you might have in your area.

Araminta, it's certainly fascinating to see what will regenerate if we just leave the land undisturbed, especially, if the land is next to good quality bush like yours is. I like your style! When I'm doing my bush care I use the Bradley method of minimum disturbance since soil disturbance encourages weeds.
The neighbour on my north side has taken stock from his property & he now has wonderful stands of native grasses on his property, some of which are gradually making their way into my place, displacing the weeds. This requires no effort on my part whatsoever.

ScottTas
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Thanks for the conversation!
Woko - thanks for your contributions. As the person who's usually the one most keen on birds and planting natives to feed them, it's great to hear from someone who's even further evolved on that path of thinking than I am at this stage, especially now that I'm planting a garden of my own!!
FYI - did you know that Kookaburras were introduced to Tas (around 1905), Galahs were either introduced / aviary escapees or self-introduced (different sources say different things). These 2 species, along with the Noisy Miner, are now becoming more common. I've lived in Hobart 6 years now, and all 3 of these have become noticeably more common in that time down the east coast of Tasmania and around Hobart (not IN Hobart much yet).
I'm very keen to get a very thick understorey growing, as I feel convinced (knowing Noisy Miners as a Qld'er!) that it's only a matter of time until they're around more. Haven't seem them around my house yet, hoping to keep it that way. If New Holland Honeyeaters remain our most common and bossy birds, I'll be happy :)
I've heard talk of Starlings (which are pretty common) being partly blamed for Swift Parrot decline, and Kookaburra and Noisy Miner increases partly blamed for various other declines, including Forty-spotted Pardalotes.
I'm still going to plant Lomandras, but not to attract Kookaburras!!
I'll be happy if our White Goshawk spends more time in the nieghbourhood though :)
Thanks again all for the thoughts, and the thought-provoking conversation :)
Cheers,
Scott.

Woko
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Yes, there's always something to learn about nature, ScottTas.
I wasn't aware that kookaburras were introduced to Tas. To WA, yes, but not Tas. They'd would certainly have changed the ecology. Grrrrr. Galahs & little corellas were once birds of Australia's interior, I believe, but settlers altered the landscape & the rest is history (as are many of our bird & mammal species.)
As far as I can tell noisy miners are a natural part of Tas but I imagine the clearing of understorey there has advantaged them just as has occurred in other parts of Australia. I guess if you thought that other bird species needed protection from noisy miner harrassment then planting thick understorey would help. However, I'd recommend you take a look at your nearest remnant bushland to get an idea of the vegetation structure there then try to replicate that in your garden. This would advantage all your local birds except, perhaps, the noisy miner. If you thought that this approach didn't provide the protection other bird species need then there'd perhaps be an argument fo planting understorey thicker than occurs naturally. Keeping records of bird species' numbers over several years would help provide a basis for whatever decision you make.

ScottTas
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Cheers Woko,
I've got a good list going of birds seen in my backyard, and in which months. I'll keep this going and will be sure to take note of which speices are feeding and sheltering in which plants etc to make decisions for the future!
We've got some weed species (shrubs/small trees) which will need to be removed, but (after reading posts here), I'm now waiting until I have sufficient food and shelter elsewhere in the garden. I'm hoping to provide more nesting habitat for small birds too with some dense areas of vegetation.
Good to hear your hopes for Bronzewings. We get Spotted Turtle-Doves, although I think they spend very little time in our garden, they mostly just perch on our back fence. I will be interested to see if that decreases further with my revegetation efforts... Good luck with the Bronzewings. I saw one on a walk nearby y'day, always love seeing them.
Cheers,
Scott.

Woko
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ScottTas, I think it's a really good strategy to ensure you have adequate habitat for birds before getting rid of the weeds. In the Mt Lofty Ranges near where I live some people have destroyed their blackberry bushes which provided habitat (mainly protection) for superb fairy wrens & red-browed finches as well as southern bandicoots. Unfortunately, the native animals had nowhere else to go or, if they did, they had to compete with the existing residents.
So, good on you!

ScottTas
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I've gone for ferns, boronias and grasses just to round-off this conversation :)
On a vaguely-related note:
I think it should be a requirement that all home-owners plant at least some natives in their gardens. I can understand that not everyone wants natives only, but when I see gardens composed entirely of lawn and conifers / roses etc, I can't help but see how clearly selfish we are as a species. I think surely not all of these people with food-barren gardens dislike wildlife..? Do they just expect wildlife to live only in preserved forests and nowhere else?
Other opinions welcome!?!
Cheers,
Scott.

Araminta
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Hi Scott, I live in the Shire of Cardinia, when we moved here, the rule was, if you wanted to cut down trees to build a house, you needed a permit to remove anything. Any native tree of a certain age had to be replaced by three new native trees. The council would come and inspect, to see if you did it.Someone with some knowledge of native vegetation would turn up and see if there was anything of importance growing on your land. We wanted to put up a shed, and the woman even loked up in the trees to find nests. Very good, but since the last fires ALL the good work went out the window, councils are scared sh....less of people sueing them if their house burns down.They still don't understand the fires yet, in a big fire, ANYTHING BURNS, even grass and dirt. Face it, it will burn, the question is not if, it is when! We should not sacrifice nature and wildlife on the "if"
(as my clever mother, a philosopher, used to say: Even if there is a possibility to get hit by a car is high, that shouldn't keep you fron crossing the road until it happens!She was a very wise woman!)
So not to plant anything, just in case, is not very clever!!
Not to provide food and shelter for wildlfe is shortsighted, and almost a crime! M-L

M-L

ScottTas
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Thanks for the info M-L. I'm glad to hear some councils do something about it at least (even if for only some of the time!). I'm always glad to hear on this forum when people are talking about planting natives also - it gives me some hope!
Cheers,
Scott.

Woko
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Love this thread because it allows me to dust off my soap box & set it up in a sunny place.
It grieves me deeply when I see housing developments, filled with exotic vegetation, replacing natural bushland. The funny thing is that the developers so often promote their developments as featuring wildlife.
I live near Mt Barker (SA, not WA where a lot of our mail use to go) & the Mt Barker Council developed the Laratinga Wetlands which are fed from the town's treated effluent. It's quite a nice wetland, even if it is artificial, & provides habitat for both bushland & water birds. However, development has been permitted to within about 30 metres of the wetland yet, to my knowledge, Council has done nothing to discourage people from keeping cats & growing exotic pest plants which are likely to invade the wetland.
And another thing. So many developments feature moss rocks which once provided habitat for mosses, lichens, lizards, butterflies, snakes etc. Areas from which they're taken not only provide lower quality habitat but also are now prone to erosion.
Sadly, while many Councils & other authorities make lots of environmentally responsible noises, many of their efforts are tokenistic & designed to protect their images rather than the environment.
All of this, of course, is not to decry the efforts that some Councils make to protect native vegetation & restore damaged habitats. Burnside Council in Adelaide is one of these. It is doing good things with the remnant vegetation in the parts of the Adelaide Hills face zone which fall within its boundaries. But we have a long way to go before all levels of government are genuine about protecting the environment.

Qyn
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Clematis microphylla, Clematis aristata, Clematis clitoroides, Billardia scandens - these look natural (good too in my opinion) covering a fallen branch and provide habitat (nesting) and food (seeds and fruit) for various creatures - all are native to Tas but I don't know if to your specific area. I also like the shrubbier Correas for birds and many will tolerate some shade.

Below is a link to a list of native tasmanian plants (from a nursery) which you could use just as a list for what plants may suit your purpose - seems reasonably informative too. Unfortunately, meaningful text linking no longer works on this site, so I have to give you the site directly.

www.potn.com.au/plant_list_A.html

Alison
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Wollemi
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I go to the nursery closest to me and pick their brains endlessly about what plants to put in the gardens I am building for my daughter. My daughter is a young woman with multiple disabilities and she enjoys the outside. We are lucky enough to have 19 old gum trees on our five acre block and under those gum trees I am building banks of native plants that vary in height, width, texture, smell, colour, the nursery people are great at helping me to choose plants to attract bees, butterflies, birds and to provide shade for our growing flight of kangaroos that visits our yard almost daily.

Bosch Nursery is where I go for my plants. It is at Cranebrook NSW just out of Penrith. There information is on the Internet and they are very helpful.

Regards

Cheryl

Meave
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Thanks everyone for all these helpful comments about gardening for natives - it is always interesting to hear new ideas, and learn what others are doing with their gardens, we have a 'half and half' garden, mostly natives but some annuals etc in the front (can't resist petunias and geraniums), but we are getting more natives in all the time. Our birds seem to love the grevilleas and melaleucas especially, and sometimes as it gets a bit wet down the back the melaleucas also love it there. the smaller birds like the grevilleas especially the smaller slightly prickly ones which shelter them from the bigger birds, the bigger honeyeaters like the 'toothbrush' flowers. The silky oaks in flower get very popular with friar birds, blue-eyed honeyeaters and lorikeets.

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