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Rick N
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?? Honeyeater

Nothing in my book on this one except maybe juvenile Crescent?

Taken at Deep Creek Conservation park last November ( that's how far behind in editing I amcrying)

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WhistlingDuck

cant help you with ids - but its a lovely shot 

cassie.c87
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I agree with crescent honeyeater :)

Lachlan
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Great photo, is it feeding on the flower of a Grass Tree?

I'd like to know what time of day the photo was taken at (ie, was it in the 'golden hours' by dawn and dusk)?

I disagree with Crescent Honeyeater; I think it is an immature Brown Honeyeater. They have yellow edged filght and tail feathers, and in immature birds there is now yellow/sliver spot behind the eye, and they have a yellow gape. 

Woko
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Way outside the Brown Honeyeater's range I'm afraid, Lachlan. Deep Creek Conservation Park is on Fleurieu Peninsula south of Adelaide. I agree with juvenile Crescent Honeyeater.

cassie.c87
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I thought maybe juvenile female crescent because browns are rare in SA accoring to BBY distribution range, which is where Deep creek is right? 

cassie.c87
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Thank you Woko, I was hoping I got the location right smiley

Rick N
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Lachlan wrote:

Great photo, is it feeding on the flower of a Grass Tree?

I'd like to know what time of day the photo was taken at (ie, was it in the 'golden hours' by dawn and dusk)?

I disagree with Crescent Honeyeater; I think it is an immature Brown Honeyeater. They have yellow edged filght and tail feathers, and in immature birds there is now yellow/sliver spot behind the eye, and they have a yellow gape. 

Hi Lachlan, the bird was feeding on the Grass Tree about two hours before sunset so light was still a little harsh. Was hard not to blow out the Grass Tree flower trying to get some detail in the bird. Have started to use fill flash for just that reason.There were also New Holland Honeyeaters and maybe one other that I'm not sure of,will post some more in Best Photos once I get some editing done.

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Lachlan
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There is an isolated population of Brown Honeyeaters on Kangaroo Island. I don't know how they got there, and if the species' range used to extend throughout SA, but my bird book assures me they're there. I just don't see how it can be a Crescent Honeyeater either... 

I'm trying to find evidence on the internet, I'll post anything significant I find. SA Parks and Wildlife is a mess... 

Lachlan
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Hope to see some of the New Holland HE photos in Best Photos, they really are very pretty birds. I dunno about the light, I was asking because the golden light of the afternoon could have accentuated the yellows a bid in the bird's plumage. I dunno about it being harsh, it looks like quite nice light to me... 

As for evidence for my Brown HE argument, I have found this after a basic Google search:

http://www.pbase.com/image/119622158

I AM NOT claiming this a conclusive, just evidence of the possibility of my suggestion being true, as other people have evidently thought the same. Still looking for a more official or explicit document...

SteveM
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IMO, the dark shoulder patch with white borders, & dark eye mask with pale white eyebrow make this a definite Crescent Honeyeater.

Lachlan
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Dark eye masks aren't all that uncommon in honeyeaters; indeed, the rudimentary mask on the bird above could easily be on a Brown HE. Also, isn't the eyebrow in a Crescent HE meant to be pretty fine? The very faint yellow brow is more of a smear of discoloured feathers. 
However, the possible shoulder patches and bars, plus very clear deleniation of yellow flight and tail feathers could mean it is a Crescent HE.

But the clearly yellow gape needs to be explained. I'm not sure how that could be on a imamture Crescent HE. I had a look for photos on the net, and it all seems to be mixed. I did find a couple of dodgy photos of Crescent HEs with yellow gapes though...

In the absence of of any solid evidence on the internet for Brown HE, I think there is a more convincing case for it being a Crescent HE. The only Bird ID book I have access to currently is the 8th edition of Pizzey & Knight. I'll track down a copy of the 9th edition in the shops tomorrow and see if it has Kangaroo Island as part of the Brown HE range. For now, unless anyone has anything to add to my Brown HE argument, I guess it is a Crescent HE. smiley

Rick N
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Thanks all. Will go with Crescent

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zosterops
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Just looked in Pizzey 9th Ed, that the Brown Honeyeater occurs on Kangaroo island is shown on the species distribution map, however this population is not mentioned in the text, however the BH occurs in NW SA, casual to w. of Coober Pedy and in Red Cliffs near Mildura Vic. 

Rick N
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You can see Kangaroo Island from where the photos were taken, would they fly across water?
 

Woko
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I don't think Backstairs Passage (the stretch of water between Deep Creek Conservation Park & Kangaroo Island) would be an impedement, Rick.

But I find this an interesting conundrum. I've never heard Brown Honeyeaters on KI mentioned by anyone connected with Birds SA during my membership. Admittedly, this was many years ago so I'm wondering if the alleged population on KI is of recent origin, probably imported. My search of the Birds SA website today revealed no mention of the Brown Honeyeater on KI.

The other possibility is that the photo in Lachlan's link is mistakenly labelled as being taken on KI.

Lachlan
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Mislabling is cetainly possible; it is not an official source. More interesting, and curious, I think is that Pizzey and Knight label KI as part of the Brown HE's range on their maps, but not in the text. Usually, they're extremely accurate with their mapping and lable any unusual populations in the text. Also, the discrepancy is evidently present over the two most recent editions, and if it wasn't meant to be tere, you'd think their edting would have caught it. However, I can't find anything on the internet to prove that it is part of the Brown HE range. 

Oh, and I had thought that Deep Creek Conservation Park was on Kangaroo Island... Whoops, my mistake! sad

I don't know where KI came from... 

timmo
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That's interesting Woko, as I was reading recently about the Glossy Black Cockatoo population on KI, and there doesn't seem to be very much evidence of them being spotted on the mainland in the last 40 years.

I would expect them to be better fliers than a BH.

OTOH there's ability to cross the passage and then there's need/desire to do so.

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Tim
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Rick N
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Will keep an eye out for them next time I'm down there. Thanks for the info.

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Woko
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There has been a smattering of Glossy Black Cockatoo sightings on the mainland in the last 10 years but their reliability is uncertain. There was one sighting in  2002 which is considered "likely to be accurate". The last confirmed sighting was in 1977.

I'm about 100km from Kangaroo Island & within its previous range. With all the Drooping Sheoaks Allocasuarina verticillata planted & regenerating around here I'm forlornly hoping I might see one or a pair one sunny day.

zosterops
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I looked up Brown Honeyeater in Morcombe and KI is not included on the species distribution map. 

On Eremaea archive BH is not reported either:


http://www.eremaea.com/SiteSpeciesList.aspx?Site=6704

However Brown-headed Honeyeater has been reported there, I wonder if the similarity of name could cause confusion...

The Glossy Black Cockatoo there is interesting as they are absent in central and western Victoria (though this doesn't mean they once occured and are now locally extinct). 

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