Adult of Juv butcherbird?

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southwestSydney
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Adult of Juv butcherbird?

I've had a few grey butcherbirds around so am not 100% if these photos are the same bird. Are any/all of these juveniles? The first looks like an adult but Im sure it was the same bird, yet the second photo looks like juvenile plumage but beak is adult. I know they fluff up when calling which can cause confusion in photos.

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southwestSydney
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Sorry images didnt work, here they are:

southwestSydney
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Another juvenile looking one

southwestSydney
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oops and title should be 'Adult OR Juv Butcherbird'
We really need an edit button on these posts!

DenisWilson
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Yes, Juveniles.
Adult males are very sharply marked, black and white. Females more grey and black, but juveniles have brownish tinges.

Denis

Gelmir
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G'day SouthwestSydney,
It threw me the first time I saw a juvenile Butcherbird. It was as large as an adult. I stupidly thought I had found some weird hybrid or genetic cross mutation! :^)

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Is it normal for juveniles to be so vocal? These ones are singing all day long, is it possible its a family of juveniles and the diving and carrying on they are doing with each other is just play?
I thought it was just the adults who sang loudly as territorial/communication.

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Sorry southwestSydney, not too sure about that.

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