Brown Goshawk or Collared Sparrowhawk

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davesumner
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Brown Goshawk or Collared Sparrowhawk

Guys,

I am new to the site and I spotted this today and it is a new bird for me. It also opened a whole can of worms into the world of deciding which one it is.

I realise that you've probably debated this lots but can anyone help please?

http://www.imagistic.info/TheNaturalWorld/Animals/Birds/18026439_f2tSwD#!i=2056453413&k=7Dn76Wb&lb=1&s=A

Thanks in advance

Dave

al
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adult collared sparrowhawk

cheers,

al

Windhover
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This bird kind of looks rather solid. Hard to tell cere colour, and tail may not be all intact. The brow is more goshawk-like. In any case, I would've thought a BG. I'll ask to see what Steve Debus thinks.

Owen1
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I reckon Collared Sparrowhawk too, because of the slighter build and tail shape but it's close.

Cheers, Owen.

darinnightowl
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Collared Sparrowhawk

See it!  Hear it!

Mid-North Coast NSW

darinnightowl
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Collared Sparrowhawk

See it!  Hear it!

Mid-North Coast NSW

Windhover
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I find the Brown Goshawk and Collared Sparrowhawk difficult to tell apart - especially when there's nothing to compare to with regards to size - and it would be certainly helpful if people like Al would actually say a few things that they find useful for ID instead of just stating the name. Something I've seen Al do before and he failed to come back with any responses when I've asked. Hence why I will personally consult with an expert in the field rather than listen to someone's comment, which was unsubstantiated. Thanks Owen, I would always listen to your ID suggestions, as you are far more helpful! yes

Steve Debus confirmed it's a Collared Sparrowhawk. These are the features he pointed out.

- The outer rectrices are longer than the inners, giving a notched tail tip (rectrices are also
rather broad to the tips)
- The spindly feet with very long middle toe; the boldly barred primaries; and the rather short head/neck and
small bill.
- The eye is staring, with a small brow-ridge
- The undertail coverts are a little whiter than I'd expect on a BG.
There's no sense of scale in the pic; I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was a male (i.e. small).

al
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I can't see anywhere in your previous post where you're asking ME.... in the past I have ALWAYS explained the important differences when asked by forum members....

but I admit I don't read every post on here :)

Cheers,

al

Woko
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Dave, this matter has been debated from time to time. Personally, I always find it useful when someone (like yourself) raises the question because it helps focus my attention on the features of both species. E.g., as supplied by Steve Debus via Windhover. It's always part of the great process of learning.

Windhover
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Don't sweat on it Al. yes

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